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Ep. 580: Bye For Now

May 29, 2025 Fat Mascara

Jenn & Jess take a look back at some of the best moments in Fat Mascara history. We share stories about our celebrity guests, memorable moments from the past 10 years, shout outs to the super fans (you know who you are!), favorite interviews, best bloopers, and more. 

We also want to say a huge and heartfelt thank you to our team at Redd Rock Music, especially Redd Yoachum and Enrique Hinojosa; our contributors, Garrett Munce and Julee Wilson; all our amazing guests; Embassy Row and At Will Media; and everybody else who has helped make the podcast a success since 2016, including Chloe Anello, Charlotte Council, Jackie Danziger, Elliot Davis, Ellie Dixon, Emma Hull, Georgina Kim, Valerie Light, Rachel Lightner, Will Malnati, Meashell Mason, Lexi McCallion, Krystal Miranda, Olivia Quinton, Belle Roman, Britton Schey, Molly Socha, Tiffany Sukhnandan (Intern Tiff!), and Yaz Vieth.

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Kat Von D
Kathleen Lights
Paula Bagoun
Suzanne Somers
Emily Weiss
Linda Evangelista
Veronica Webb
Miranda Kerr
Karen Elson
Ashley Graham
Cindy Crawford
John Demsey
Theo Kogan
Gary Archer
Sir John
Orlando Pita
Poppy King - FM Episode from 2017
Dick Page
Dr. Alex Box
Kristen Bell
Heather Widdows
Julia Roberts
Jennifer Aniston
Molly Ringwald
Kimora Lee Simmons
Kim Kardashian
Jerrod Blandino
Diptyque
Jawara
Lady Saw

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Best of FM: Caroline Hirons

May 23, 2025 Fat Mascara

This classic from the FM archives is our most popular interview ever. In it, skincare expert Caroline Hirons explains the right order to apply products and tells us how she really feels about “clean” beauty, INCI lists, the Environmental Working Group (EWG), the beauty-industry patriarchy, myths about pores, acid solutions, hyaluronic acid, and more. The interview originally aired in 2020. We’ll be back next week with a new and very special episode!

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Below are links to the people, topics, and products mentioned in this episode. If you have any questions (or just want to say hi) reach out to us on Instagram, Twitter or via email (info@fatmascara.com).

Caroline Hirons - her instagram
Skin Rocks
Glad We Had This Chat With Caroline Hirons
Skin Care: The Ultimate No-Nonsense Guide - Caroline’s book
The Goop Lab - the Netflix show
Glossier | Solution
Pixi Beauty | Glow Tonic
Paula’s Choice Skin Perfecting 2% BHA Liquid Exfoliant
Biologique Recherche P50 Lotion - there are five varieties in the U.S.; this is the OG 1970 version
Kérastase Reflection Mask for Color Treated Hair - Caroline loves the product but not the packaging
Estée Lauder Advanced Night Repair Eye Concentrate Matrix

Caroline suggests applying products in this order (but, she warns, the order is still dependent on the formulas you’re using, so it’s best to consult an aesthetician if you’re unsure): oil or balm cleanser; creamy or foaming cleanser; acids/acid solutions; mists or essences; eye cream; serum (or any face oils that are humectants or have active ingredients); other face oils; moisturizer (but listen to the podcast, because Caroline agrees with us that oils with occlusives can go on last)

Vintner's Daughter | Active Botanical Serum
Avène
Nerida Joy - facialist who is hands on
Jordan Samuel - facialist who is hands on
Renée Rouleau - facialist who is hands on
Kate Somerville - facialist who loves a machine
Joanna Vargas - facialist who loves a machine
Emma Hardie | Moringa Balm Cleanser
Pixi + Caroline Hirons Double Cleanse
Kate Somerville | Under Eye Repair Cream
Clinique or Estée Lauder mascara
Neutrogena | Hydro Boost Hyaluronic Acid Hydrating Face Moisturizer Gel-Cream
Kate Somerville | Deep Tissue Repair Cream with Peptide K8
Darphin | Aromatic Purifying Balm
Hagen-Dazs Pralines & Cream Ice Cream
“Never Too Much” by Luther Vandross

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Ep. 579: What’s In Our Bags, Big News & The Week in Beauty

May 21, 2025 Fat Mascara

In this special episode, Jenn & Jess discuss big podcast changes ahead and then unpack their bags, in a segment sponsored by Maybelline New York and Acast Creative. We also have Gen Z (Fat Mascara’s intern, Lexi) talking beauty with Gen Alpha (11-year-old Nyah) and thoughts about what’s going on at Drunk Elephant. Plus: Ole Henriksen’s biopic; another beauty Roblox game; love for Ceremonia; and Jenn’s answer to the season’s butter yellow trend.

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What’s In Our Bags*:
Maybelline | Great Lash Mascara
Maybelline | Lash Sensational Mascara
Maybelline | The Falsies Lash Lift Mascara
*This segment is presented by Maybelline New York and Acast Creative.

News:
Drunk Elephant Was Never for Kids
Sweatpants Forever - article in The New York Times
Ole Henriksen Biopic ‘The Glowing Man’ Announced At Cannes - article in Forbes
Fenty Enters Roblox Retail Race With Shoppable Gloss Experience
Drunk Elephant

Raise A Wand:
Homework: Call us to tell us about a product you love, ask a beauty question, or share your thoughts on anything we talk about on the podcast: 646-481-8182. You can also text that number or email a voice memo to info@fatmascara.com.

Listener Nick: Aesop | Eleos Nourishing Body Cleanser
Dove Beauty | Cool Moisture Beauty Bar Soap
Bathing Culture | Mind And Body Wash Cathedral Grove
Le Labo | Bergamote 22 Shower Gel
Jess: Ceremonia | Guava Leave-In Conditioner
Jenn: Kiara Sky | Soak-Off Gel Polish

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Ep. 578: Butt Skincare, Hyaluronic Acid & The Week’s Beauty News

May 14, 2025 Fat Mascara

What random body part will Big Beauty make a product for next? Jenn & Garrett talk about it: skincare for your butt, probiotic oral care, and a new hyaluronic acid injectable gel for dry eyes. Garrett shares personal news that inspires a conversation about the connection between beauty and mental health. Plus, we raise wands to Sofie Pavitt’s mandelic serum, zit stickers that double as bandages, a teeny-tiny electric razor, and the best sunscreen for people with acne.

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Intro:
Rosewood Sao Paolo - in Brazil

News:
Asset
Buttface
Spooge
Future Method
Future Method | Butt + Body Scrub
The Trouble with Mouthwash: The Surprising Reasons Why You Might Want to Put Down the Bottle and Swish This Way
AESOP | Mouthwash
Lumify | Preservative Free Eye Drops
e.l.f Launches Financial Literacy Roblox Game


Science Corner:
Lacrifill

Raise A Wand:
Homework: Call us to tell us about a product you love, ask a beauty question, or share your thoughts on anything we talk about on the podcast: 646-481-8182. You can also text that number or email a voice memo to info@fatmascara.com.

Listener Micah: Red Slaw & Fenty Beauty | Hydra Vizor Invisible Moisturizer
Garrett: Panasonic | Arc5 Palm Electric Luxury Razor & Sofie Pavitt Face | Mandelic Clearing Serum
Jenn: E.L.F. Cosmetics | Blemish Breakthrough Stick It To Zits Pimple Patches

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Mental Health & Beauty with Dr. Afiya Mbilishaka

May 9, 2025 Fat Mascara

Beauty is a big part of today’s mental-health conversation, says psychologist, hair stylist, hair historian, and clinical therapist Afiya Mbilishaka, PhD. She’s here to talk about why hair (and caring for it) can be an entry point to mental-health services; why hair loss is so devastating; the importance of hairstylists in Black communities; and what’s really going on when someone gets breakup bangs. Plus, we talk about why hair is sacred in many cultures around the world, especially in the African cultures she’s studied.

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Below you’ll find a list of some of the people, topics, and products mentioned in this episode. If you have any questions (or just want to say hi), reach out to us on Instagram or via email (info@fatmascara.com). And please email us voice memos of your beauty questions and Raise A Wand favorites so we can share them on the show. You can also leave us a voicemail to be featured on a future podcast (our phone number in the U.S. is at 646-481-8182).

Dr. Afiya Mbilishaka
Psychohairapy
Taking back the CROWN
These Doctors Just Received A $200K Grant To Study Crown Hair Loss In Black Women
N Natural Hair Studio - where Dr. Afiya formerly offered hair services
MAUI MOISTURE ANNOUNCES PARTNERSHIP WITH PSYCHOHAIRAPY, AN ORGANIZATION USING HAIR AS THE ENTRY POINT INTO MENTAL HEALTH CARE
Kamilah - the stylist who did Dr. Afiya’s 40th birthday hair look
Maui Moisture Frizz Free + Shea Butter Leave-in Conditioning Mist
Alikay Naturals Lemongrass Leave-in Conditioner
Aunt Jackie's Flaxseed Gel
The Lip Bar Matte Liquid Lipstick - Rich Auntie
Aura Cacia Lavender Essential Oil
Now Foods Ylang Ylang Oil
Aura Cacia Peppermint Essential Oil
Africa's Best Super Gro Hair & Scalp Conditioner
Jhené Aiko

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Ep. 577: Beta Blockers, Caveman Skin & The Week’s Beauty News

May 7, 2025 Fat Mascara

Jenn & Jess talk about what went on behind the scenes of this week’s Met Gala.  Plus: TikTok’s newest trend (can we cal lit that?), caveman skin; what all the brides want in their hair this wedding season; new research on glutathione; a life-size scratch and sniff marketing campaign; Westman Atelier Bronzing Drops vs. Saie Cream-Balm Bronzer; and some fun Raise A Wands!

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Intro:
It Can Cost 6 Figures to Get Ready for the Met Gala - Jenn’s article in The Cut
Amanda Kahn - M.D

News:
Can the Minimalist ‘Caveman Method’ Save Your Skin — or Destroy It?
The Pinterest Annual Wedding Trends Report
There Are Scratch and Sniff Armpits on NYC Sidewalks
Billie All Day Deodorant: Cotton Cloud
Westman Atelier | Sun Tone Bronzing Drops
Air Milkshake
Marta Mae
Science Corner: Glutathione in Dermatology: A Bright Future or Fading Hype?

Raise A Wand:
Homework: Call us to tell us about a product you love, ask a beauty question, or share your thoughts on anything we talk about on the podcast: 646-481-8182. You can also text that number or email a voice memo to info@fatmascara.com.

Listener Lucy: Yves Saint Laurent | Lash Clash Extreme Volume Mascara - Electric Blue & Trinny London | Trinity
Jess: SAIE | Sun Melt Natural Cream Bronzer - Fair Bronze
Jenn: Bachan's Original Japanese Dipping Sauce

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Maybe You Should Get That Mole Checked with Dr. Deborah Sarnoff

May 2, 2025 Fat Mascara

You know that thing you’ve been meaning to see a dermatologist about? Now is the time to do it, says Deborah Sarnoff, MD, the president of the Skin Cancer Foundation. She’s here to bust some myths about sun protection, share her SPF knowledge, and explain exactly when, why, and how to get a skin check. This interview originally aired in 2019, but the advice and tips are timeless. 

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Deborah Sarnoff
Skin Cancer Foundation
Beauty And The Beam: The Complete Guide To Cosmetic Laser Surgery
Instant Beauty: Getting Gorgeous On Your Lunch Break

Ep. 576: Colored Mascara, New Vitamin C Serums & The Week’s Beauty News


April 30, 2025 Fat Mascara

The sunshine is here! So we brought on the president of the Skin Cancer Foundation, dermatologist Dr. Deborah Sarnoff, to bust some myths about sun protection, share her SPF knowledge, and explain exactly when, why, and how to get a skin check. This interview originally aired in 2019, but the advice and tips are timeless. 

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Intro:
Top Beauty Drops With Julee Wilson
Jenna & Friends
Naked Sundays | SPF 50 Clear Glow Radiant Sunscreen Serum
Alleyoop | Pen Pal 4-in-1 Touchup Pen
Grace Eleyae | Honey Satin-Lined Baseball Hat
Bloom Effects

News:
Givaudan Unveils Guardians of Memories, A New Game-changing Digital Experience on Roblox
Wildfleur
Wildfleur | 15% Pure Vitamin C + Xanthophyll - Marigold Brightening Serum
SkinCeuticals | C E Ferulic with 15% L-Ascorbic Acid
US Salon Trends Indicate Looming Recession - article from Business of Fashion
L'OREAL PARIS | Magic Root Cover Up
Chillhouse | Forever Wear Chill Paint
Manucurist | Nail Polish
Thrive Causemetics | Liquid Lash Extensions Mascara - Nola
Trixie Cosmetics | Hotline Gel Liner
Westman Atelier | Sun Tone Bronzing Drops
Wander Beauty | On-The-Glow Blush And Illuminator
Versed | Mood Lighting Glow Drops

Raise A Wand:
Homework: Call us to tell us about a product you love, ask a beauty question, or share your thoughts on anything we talk about on the podcast: 646-481-8182. You can also text that number or email a voice memo to info@fatmascara.com.

Listener G: Malin + Goetz | Lip Moisturizer
Julee: NERRĀ | The Bathhouse Ritual
Jenn: Gee Beauty | Prime Skin

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How to Think Positive with Beauty Pioneer Victoria Jackson

April 25, 2025 Fat Mascara

Victoria Jackson, the founder of No Makeup Makeup, was the first person to sell beauty via an infomercial. From there she built a makeup empire, became a medical trailblazer, and established a charitable foundation that helps fund research for neuromyelitis optica spectrum disorder (NMOSD). She talks to use about how she got her start in makeup, her thoughts on social selling and beauty today, what she loves about QVC, her bookstore, and, more importantly, how she works through fear and anxiety and tackles challenges.

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Victoria Jackson
We All Worry, Now What? By Victoria Jackson
No Makeup Makeup
Guthy-Jackson Foundation
NO MAKEUP MAKEUP® | No Makeup Makeup Foundation
Redefining Beauty: Discovering Your Individual Beauty, Enhancing Your Self-Esteem
Make Up Your Life: Every Woman's Guide To The Power Of Makeup
Saving Each Other: A Mother-Daughter Love Story
The Power Of Rare: A Blueprint For A Medical Revolution
Kim Wileman - Co-Founder & CEO of No Makeup Makeup
Godmothers - Victoria’s Bookstore
Jennifer Rudolph Walsh
Yardley Black Eyeliner

Ep. 575: Influencer Troubles, Conservative Beauty Looks & The Week’s Beauty News

April 23, 2025 Fat Mascara

Can you really call particular beauty trends conservative or liberal? Jess & Jenn discuss. Plus: Coachella is a wrap; Revolve faces a class action lawsuit for its handling of influencer endorsements; big hair is back; Jess found a facial device that does it all; and Jenn welcomes a very special 10-year-old to the virtual studio to Raise (or Lower?) A Wand.

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Intro:
SKORR Skincare | Glow
Foreo
Clarisonic

News:
Rhode
One/Size by Patrick Starr
Revolve Faces $50-million Lawsuit Alleging Influencers Hid Paid Brand Partnerships
Caroline Hirons - her Instagram
How the Conservative Era Will Change Beauty Standards
The Rise of Big Washington Hair by Mattie Kahn
Ashley Shafer - her Instagram

Raise A Wand:
Homework: Call us to tell us about a product you love, ask a beauty question, or share your thoughts on anything we talk about on the podcast: 646-481-8182. You can also text that number or email a voice memo to info@fatmascara.com.

Listener Ginger: Kate from Laundry Sauce
Atlas: (Lowers a Wand To): Natural, Organic Toothpaste
Jess: Westman Atelier | Sun Tone Bronzing Drops

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